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	<title>Comments on: Unit Testing in .NET</title>
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		<title>By: Woody Thrower</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You definitely do not have to provide comparisons. I certainly didn&#039;t mean to imply that you do. I think second-party and third-party comparison are important parts of deciding which options deserve a first-hand evaluation, and I believe the growth of csUnit is ill-served by refusing to make comparisons.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Many inferior software products are created by programmers who just want to build their own. It is impractical to download and try each one. Especially when one option is so widely used that it&#039;s practically an industry standard. An unknown package that refuses to differentiate itself is easy to write off. It doesn&#039;t make business sense to evaluate it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do not understand your refusal to compare on moral grounds. Comparison does not require that you make value judgements -- you can simply list differences. For example, if I were to compare two flatbed scanners, I might mention that one is bulkier, while the other is USB-powered. The bulkier one might have greater depth of field, but be more expensive. Maybe the small one can stand upright, so it occupies less desk space. I can make those comparison without making any statement about which scanner is better, because neither scanner is &quot;better.&quot; Their differences accomodate different environments, budgets, and uses.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you truly have a moral problem with attempting to objectively differentiate, I&#039;m curious how you&#039;ve reached that position.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regarding me basing statements on assumptions: I did not make any statements about csUnit. I expressed some harsh opinions about the web site and the impression it gave me. I stand by those opinions (although I no longer wonder if csUnit was a school project), but csUnit itself remains an almost complete mystery to me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for taking the time to bring up your concerns. I hope I&#039;ve clarified my position.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You definitely do not have to provide comparisons. I certainly didn&#8217;t mean to imply that you do. I think second-party and third-party comparison are important parts of deciding which options deserve a first-hand evaluation, and I believe the growth of csUnit is ill-served by refusing to make comparisons.</p>
<p>Many inferior software products are created by programmers who just want to build their own. It is impractical to download and try each one. Especially when one option is so widely used that it&#8217;s practically an industry standard. An unknown package that refuses to differentiate itself is easy to write off. It doesn&#8217;t make business sense to evaluate it.</p>
<p>I do not understand your refusal to compare on moral grounds. Comparison does not require that you make value judgements &#8212; you can simply list differences. For example, if I were to compare two flatbed scanners, I might mention that one is bulkier, while the other is USB-powered. The bulkier one might have greater depth of field, but be more expensive. Maybe the small one can stand upright, so it occupies less desk space. I can make those comparison without making any statement about which scanner is better, because neither scanner is &#8220;better.&#8221; Their differences accomodate different environments, budgets, and uses.</p>
<p>If you truly have a moral problem with attempting to objectively differentiate, I&#8217;m curious how you&#8217;ve reached that position.</p>
<p>Regarding me basing statements on assumptions: I did not make any statements about csUnit. I expressed some harsh opinions about the web site and the impression it gave me. I stand by those opinions (although I no longer wonder if csUnit was a school project), but csUnit itself remains an almost complete mystery to me.</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to bring up your concerns. I hope I&#8217;ve clarified my position.</p>
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		<title>By: Manfred Lange</title>
		<link>http://woodpress.org/2006/01/03/unit-testing-in-net/comment-page-1/#comment-1022</link>
		<dc:creator>Manfred Lange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, csUnit is NOT a school project. And no, I don&#039;t think that we have to provide comparisons, but that we can tell you about what is good about csUnit. And we are more than happy to learn more about the things you would like to see in unit testing tools (or csUnit in particular). A brief history: csUnit was started in 2001 and was developed and used in commercial projects since then. And I&#039;m a little surprised that you &quot;assume&quot; certain qualities about csUnit, and that you base several statements on your &quot;assumptions&quot;. Your post doesn&#039;t indicate that you actually download it, tried it and then make your statements on facts. I can live with facts. Assumptions are just rumors at best. What do you think? -- Kind regards, Manfred. (csUnit co-author, XP practitioner since 1999, agile leader since 2001, successfully introduced XP to 200+ engineers organizations)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, csUnit is NOT a school project. And no, I don&#8217;t think that we have to provide comparisons, but that we can tell you about what is good about csUnit. And we are more than happy to learn more about the things you would like to see in unit testing tools (or csUnit in particular). A brief history: csUnit was started in 2001 and was developed and used in commercial projects since then. And I&#8217;m a little surprised that you &#8220;assume&#8221; certain qualities about csUnit, and that you base several statements on your &#8220;assumptions&#8221;. Your post doesn&#8217;t indicate that you actually download it, tried it and then make your statements on facts. I can live with facts. Assumptions are just rumors at best. What do you think? &#8212; Kind regards, Manfred. (csUnit co-author, XP practitioner since 1999, agile leader since 2001, successfully introduced XP to 200+ engineers organizations)</p>
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